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Toxic Tuesday: Narcissistic Parents Part 3

November 11, 2014    Joy S.

This is the third segment of a four-part series by guest author, Joy S. See past Toxic Tuesday posts, Narcissistic Parents (Part 1) and Narcissistic Parents (Part 2)

We left off last week with Myth #1). “If I forgive someone, then that’s the same as saying that they didn’t do anything very bad.  My painful feelings will be discounted.”


Toxic Tuesday biochem hazard smallMyth # 2). “To forgive someone, I must also simultaneously forget that they ever offended me.  And if I haven’t forgotten, then I must not have really forgiven.”FALSE.Forgiveness is not AMNESIA.  :-). Your memories of pain are brain connections made – biology and chemistry of the past.  Reversing your neural connections is impossible.  Meaning, you both remember AND forgive. That’s normal.  (God doesn’t do memory wipes on us. If He did, then we wouldn’t be able to forgive because, duh, we wouldn’t remember what happened to us.)  It doesn’t mean that you didn’t really forgive the first time around, or that you’reabadforgiver, or a bad Christian.”Well, for argument’s sake,” you say, “can I simultaneously obsess/rehearse/reenact my pain AND forgive?”No. Very doubtful.Wise up!  You only have so much mental energy, and the enemy would love for you to squander all of it on the past.  (I mean, dwelling on what’s past is like saying you want to buy real estate at 1 Bad Memory Lane.  If so, then don’t build a house. You won’t need it.  Just install a sty.  I’ve had days, weeks, years when I just wallowed in a sty of self-pity (aka, sin).  Wallowed, wallowed, oinked…told everyone who’d listen to my tale of woes.  Rehearsed my NPD parent’s sins and dirt, churned up all the old emotions.  Not surprisingly, none of that gave me inspiration or the strength to obey God by forgiving like He commanded.  Eventually I crawled out of the sty and repented of my sin, my God-Daddy washed off my filth, and I got back down to forgiveness again.  Please learn from my sins.  Don’t hang out in the sty of self-pity.)Memories of your wounds can be valuable.  If they remind you of God’s past faithfulness, His sweet healing Grace, His deliverance from your NPDer’s control, or wisdom in how to protect yourself from unsafe people, keep them near.  If not, dump ’em.  (This is not the equivalent of giving your NPD parent a “get out of jail free” card.   Remember, they still have to face God for what they did to you.)

Recognize that you are in a battle!!   Say to God, “Daddy, I am not welcoming these unhealthy thoughts back after giving them to You.  Slay them on Your altar as a fresh gift from me.  Strengthen me to repel them.”  And mean it… mean every word.   Short of a miracle, your NPD parent will continue to be themselves and sin against you (even if you no longer live with them, they will find a way!).  So you are likely to have new offenses to forgive on a pretty regular basis.  Yep, sigh.  Forgiveness is not a one-time deed.  It is a conscious choice that you will have to make again, many, many times…at least that’s the goal.  Which leads me to the next myth.

3) “If I forgive someone, then we will be able to hang out together and have a satisfying relationship because they will have changed.”


Let’s review the basis of affirming relationships, shall we?

  • – Valuing the other person for who they are, not what they can do for you.
  • – Seeing the best in the other person, desiring their good.
  • – Gently building them up in their weak spots.
  • – Recognizing that they belong to God first and that your relationship with them is a stewardship for which you will have to give an account.
  • – Addressing conflict in light of the other person’s God-given dignity, your/their sin natures, and the goals of repentance, restoration and unity.

Hmm.  In case you’re not sure, I can categorically state that these bear NO similarity to the mindset of a NPDer.  NONE.  In my non-professional opinion, a NPD parent is incapable of any affirming relationship with anyone, their child included.   After all, one of the defining characteristics of an NPDer is their sense of superiority over nearly everyone else.  Especially you (after all, you are JUST their kid).  The concept that they could be wrong about anything is unthinkable.  This is why they never have to take responsibility for their behavior nor do they need to apologize, like people do in healthy relationships.

So with a NPD parent, your forgiveness is rendered in obedience to God IN SPITE of your parent’s ongoing behavior.  It is not dependent on their repentance happening first.  It will not change your parent at all.  They have not repented, changed their ways, and sought reconciliation with you or with God.  (I mean, how can they repent when they are perfect, right?!?). Basically, they have no role in your labor of forgiveness. It’s entirely between you and God.  Its role is to transform you with healing.  It has nothing to do with them.

Which is why respectfully, even humbly, biblically approaching a NPD parent in order to point out their offense against you is a lost cause. *** A true NPDer does not speak the language of repentance, so it will serve only to confuse and inflame them.  Since our battle is not against flesh and blood, but rather the enemy who keeps our NPD parent in bondage, there is no profit in creating strife with them.  As far as it depends on you, live in peace with them.

***[Please note that this does not apply to grave matters concerning the law (ie., commission of a crime, abuse against yourself or others).   Then you must seek God and act with protection in place for your safety and that of others.  Appropriate civil authorities must be brought in, for that is their God-ordained function.  Also go with no expectation that they will repent.  In fact, they will likely turn the tables on you, attacking with intent to make you defensive.  It will be an unpleasant conversation at best, draining/devastating at worst.  Therefore marshal your spiritual and emotional resources before attempting any approach.  You will want people praying for you, and you will want to be prayed up. Prayer and fasting is paramount.]

The recovery rate among NPDers is minute.  Carolyn had one professional peg it around 1-5%.    I want to say this gently and not to depress you.  But in all likelihood, your NPD parent will not change.  Of course “nothing is impossible with God” (which is why I continue to pray that He will do a mighty work in my NPDer.  To date, I have prayed for two decades, without a visible “yes” answer…yet.  Yet.  🙂  I am more than willing to be amazed at God effecting change in such a heart.)

So, if you can keep a door to a redeemed, transformed possible future relationship with your NPD parent by lightly maintaining the relationship in the meantime, do it.  Then, if they recover, there will be a place for them in your life.  When I say “lightly maintain” the relationship, I mean this:  It is not safe for you to be intimate with them. They cannot use intimacy for any of the healthy purposes it was created for.  For them it is an opportunity to sin.  Therefore, be superficial.  Be vague.  Don’t give out unnecessary details that will just be used as ammunition against you.  Honoring your parent does not mean that they are entitled to every personal detail of your adult life or to interfering with your marriage or parenting.   Yes, you need to forgive them, but charity dictates that you not set them up to sin against you anymore than you can help.

Remember, God trumps your earthly parent.  He is the Master.  He is the REAL parent, the one who “subcontracted” the role to your earthly parents for a season.  If you are His servant, you belong to Him. Be wise about dealing with your NPDer, but don’t fear them.  You are in Your God-Daddy’s Arms.  To the extent that He directs you to meet their demands, do it. But not because of them.  Because of HIM :-)!!

You belong to Him.

Save the details for Him (He knows them already, but He loves it when we talk to Him).  He directs your life.  God is who you trust.  Go to Him in prayer and in His Word for your parental relationship needs.  Go deep with God.  (With your NPDer, stay out of the water if you can; if you must get in, stay in the baby pool! :-).

Seeking a counselor steeped in biblical wisdom and experienced with NPDers can equip you to effectively set boundaries for both your parent’s and your good.  They can help you role-play conversations so that you can confidently and lovingly set limits without getting rattled or losing your temper when your NPD parent pushes back against your healthy boundaries.  (I am NOT talking about worldly counseling where you are encouraged to do undisciplined things like exploding in anger, smacking pillows, screaming, and raging in letters.  Whatever your counselor suggests needs to agree with the Holy Spirit, who is foremost “power, love, and a sound mind.” So be discerning in your counselor choice if you go that route.)


Join us next week when I share from my experience with an excellent counselor some tips that I will pass onto you at NO CHARGE.


Toxic Tuesday: Narcissistic Parents Part 2

Toxic Tuesday biochem hazard smallNovember 4, 2014 – Joy S.

Well, happy readers, thank you again to Carolyn for allowing me to rejoin you for Part 2 of Toxic Tuesday:  Narcissistic Personality Disordered Parent. In my last post, I promised to share strategies I’ve discovered for escaping unforgiveness toward a NPD parent.  Lest you think that I was “spiritual” enough to figure them out on my own, I will start with a disclaimer.

For the LONGEST time I knew forgiveness was the correct Christian response and I felt terribly guilty over my bitterness toward my NPD parent.  Sometimes I’d think that I was over the hurt.  Then something would reveal deep bitterness in my heart, and the cycle would begin again.  I questioned my salvation.  I knew there were other people who had truly forgiven their rapists, their child’s murderer, or the crook who stole their entire life savings.  Since these were all much worse tragedies than what I suffered, I thought maybe I wasn’t sufficiently motivated by obedience or love of God.   For years I lived with the pain of my parent’s abuse compounded by the guilt of unforgiveness/disobedience to God.  It took its toll.  I was diagnosed with clinical depression, took meds, went to lots of counseling (some of it super and some flakey!), and was tempted by cutting and suicide.

In reading the Bible, I would encounter passages like the parable of the Unforgiving Servant (Mt 18: 23-35):

  23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt. 26 At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

      28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins.  He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded. 29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’ 30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt.

31 “When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened. 32 Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”

Well, that just chilled me to the marrow.  “I want to forgive!  I want to forgive!  Please show me how,” I’d pray.  I’d pick the brains of godly people who seemed at peace with the deep hurts they suffered.  Bless those saints for their patience with me.  I kept reading the Bible. Gradually I began to see what forgiveness was, and what it wasn’t.

So to start, let me clarify some common myths about forgiveness that may be stumbling you on your road to healing.

Myth #1). “If I forgive someone, then that’s the same as saying that they didn’t do anything very bad.  My painful feelings will be discounted.”


My pain was real.  Your pain is REAL, too.  I want to make it clear at the start that forgiveness toward the NPD parent doesn’t mean that your wounds are imaginary or slight.  Just because your NPD parent denies that they have ever done anything wrong and that you are “overly sensitive/crazy/unreasonable” doesn’t mean that it’s the Truth.

(You may feel, as I have, that it if only your scars had been from physical abuse, that at last you’d be believed, that you’d have proof of what you suffered, that others would understand why you hurt as you do and are wary of other’s motives.  Maybe you don’t have another person in your life who can understand what you’ve been through, your pain and pit of heartache that you can’t ever “happy thought” your way out of.  If so, let me be the first one to say, “I believe you.”  I do, promise.  And I KNOW you are NOT crazy.  :-)!!!  I believe you, because I have been there.  God protected me from the desperate acts of my pain so that I am still here to write this.  And because you’re reading this, I know He is doing the same thing for you.  He brought you to this post for HOPE.  If we were face to face right now, I would willingly listen to you tell me every memory from years ago, or just last week.  I would pass you tissues, nod my head in agreement, share stories of my own childhood and holiday nightmares, etc., and generally affirm YOU.  You didn’t bring this on yourself, you are not flawed (oh, absolutely not), and you are not a mistake.

Your life is not a mistake.  It is a marvelous tapestry woven by God’s nail-scarred Hand.  At this moment He’s working in some dark threads in order to make the bright colors pop all the more.  Your pain is the dark thread.  Forgiveness won’t change that thread’s color, anymore than it can remove the scar from His Hand.  But forgiveness repurposes the pain into beauty.  Trust Him.  When He’s done, your life will radiate His glory!)

But let’s get back to topic of Truth.  I want to as delicately as I can point out that my NPD parent wasn’t the only sinner in our relationship.  I was, too.  True, I didn’t have the same position of authority or responsibility that they had before God, but honesty compels me to admit that I often choose to sin against them out of spite for their unjust treatment of me.  Am I alone in this behavior? Hmmm?  I think you know what I am talking about.

Let me go another step further.  By myopically focusing on our parent’s faults and disorder, we risk missing a clear view of who we are in God’s eyes – selfish, little rebels against His sweet Love.  Listen, do you think you lived with an NPDer and did not have some of that rubbed off on you?  My NPD parent never thought they did anything wrong.  If they EVER apologized, it was usually five to ten years after their egregious behavior.  So, when I got married and my spouse and I had a fight, it was ALWAYS their fault, not mine.  ‘Cause I was perfect.  When I began to see that I was being just like my NPD parent – aahhhhh!!!! – I realized that my spouse wasn’t the first person I had treated like that.  In fact, unless I/you pray and ask God to show us the narcissistic habits we’ve picked up, and forgive us, and reprogram us by His Word, we are doomed to repeat our parent’s mistakes.  Whatever was done to you doesn’t absolve you of the guilt of doing those things now.

Nor does it relieve you of a need and duty to forgive.  Our unforgiveness is at least as loathsome to God as our NPD parent’s treatment of us.  Both make warped mirrors of the relationship between the Heavenly Father and His Child.  Both are far from His heart of love and His plan for the family.  So regardless of who is older, or knows better, or started the provocation, God expects us to pursue forgiveness.

Humor me for a moment, and revisit the Parable you just read.  Each of these servants knows that they are a debtor to the Master, with no other purpose but to please him. Except the rogue servant.  Obviously he didn’t get the memo about his job.  He thinks of the Master’s will as a side gig, not the main event.  Once he’s clobbered his fellow debtor, then he’ll get back to work.  His focus is on himself.  And his money.  He doesn’t care about the Master or the Master’s kindness to him.

Friends, this is me!  You!  Us!  If all you can think about is how you got ripped off when they were passing out parents, this is you.  You want your due, the debt owed you, paid.  I get that.  I used to spend considerable energy itemizing the bill I wanted paid – by my parent, by God for choosing that parent, by the world for my pain.  I was YOU.  The rogue servant. Funny thing though.  In all of my itemizing, I never calculated what I owed God, at least, not in detail, for the Cross, for His daily forgiveness of a hundred (that number may be a bit low!) selfish, unloving thoughts and actions.

Remember those dark threads of your life?  “Yeah, I know ALL about them,” you say.  I know you do.  I know you do.  But do you know as much about the brightly colored ones? Have you counted them?  Can you name them?

Have you ever made a list of those threads?

Here’s my partial list:

– For flannel sheets on chilly autumn nights.

– For the chocolate pumpkin bread recipe that reminds me of a particular happy childhood memory.

– For cute and comfy shoes that make me happy!

– For hot, steamy shower first thing in the morning.

– For breath.

– For mercy.

– For my parents who choose life for me in spite of their dead souls and a culture that legitimizes selfishness.

– For deliverance from things like pornography and alcohol that I could have become addicted to so easily based on examples I saw growing up.

– For the stupidity of bad decisions I made out of pain that will forever remind me that I am not as smart or capable as my narcissistic tendencies would have me believe.

– For bouts of depression that have equipped me to minister to some of the most precious, suffering people I’ve met.

– For another 24 hours to heal and help others heal.

– For a chance to welcome the orphan and stranger because I know the pain of feeling rejected and alone.

– For my family who knows what I struggle to overcome and bears with me on the days I fail.

– For a camaraderie among my closest friends, each with toxic or NPD parents in their life, who understand my sadness that I will likely never have the relationship with my earthly parent that I yearn for.

– For my generous God-Daddy who has redeemed me from the empty way of life handed down to me.

– For a new eternal family in Christ that far surpasses what I missed.

– For God’s Grace that His Spirit blinds my children to the bad example I often set, so that they love and obey him in a way that I didn’t at their age.

Listen, you may think you’ve been ripped off in some pretty unfair ways. But I guarantee you that your life is much richer than you know.  You think you have been beggared.  Well, if you have a real relationship with God based on His generous forgiveness and love lavished on you by Jesus’s death, then, my friend … YOU are a MILLIONAIRE in everything that matters or lasts.  (If you don’t have this relationship yet, you can!)

Make your list.  And please make it long… for your sake.  And then review it weekly and add to it. (If you need help, check out a superb book by Ann Voskamp, One Thousand Gifts: A Dare to Live Fully Right Where You Are.  It helped me tremendously.)

So before I move on, let me sum up the Truth here.  Yes, your pain is real, but it can live amidst great joy if you identify and meditate on your blessings.  God is the most generous Being in the Universe.  Whatever your loss, none of it is nearly as valuable as all the other blessings you’ve received from Him.  God’s great forgiveness to the unworthy and His scarred Hands both coexist without negating the other.  In the same way, forgiveness toward your NPDer and your wounds can coexist without diminishing each other.


And we’ll be back next Toxic Tuesday to tie this post together with myths 2 & 3.